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Postby qurve » Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:55 am

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Postby slushey » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:54 am

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Hi

Postby Aariek » Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:55 pm

Hello,

First of all, this is my first post to the EFnet forums, wish me luck for I'm planning to be active around here. Now, to go on with the topic:

EFnet is not the only network in the world being hit. Let me remind you of the attacks which brought DALnet down. They used to be one of the TOP 4, and nowadays only have 40k of users. This doesn't usually happen because of the oper attitude. I mean, heck go to check Quakenet, THAT is a lame oper attitude. EFnet still is OK from this point of view.

Secondly, there is a MOTD on every server (or should be) which is there to familiarise the guest with the server and network rules. If an oper doesn't have one of the best days and a kiddie comes to his private starting to swear/curse him, what would you do? Remember those weird creatures with so tremendous power are, still, humans - with feelings and moods. Read the oper FAQ documents provided at http://www.irchelp.org and then think again. Sending unsolicited messages to opers is not one of the brightest things a user would do. I myself find it annoying for a user who doesn't know me to send me an unsolicited or unapproved message. Especially when using unix-based irc clients. It is a common point of the netiquette to ask before messaging someone, be him oper or user.

Thirdly, the term abuse is being mistakenly understood. If you were killed, you regard that as abuse even though, uncounsciously, you did something wrong which needed a warning. An oper did his job. Today I was chatting in #EFnet when a guy reported 'abuse' as being klined on a server he usually connected on after he patched his mIRC with some funny script, and was testing it in a channel called #testblabla something. After repeated join/parts he got disconnected and banned. For those who are not familiar with the Server Monitor Bots (ofently regarded as TCM's), these bots can be set up to kline users which constantly join/part the same channel in a given timeframe. That was not abuse. It is not normal for a user to perform a join-flood, even though he wanted to test his poony script. There is your example.

Remember the reason kiddies have to packet different hosts: provoke chaos, damage networks which voluntareley provide their services for free to maintain a virtual community. The oper is a member of this community, but so is the common user like you and me. They simply want to damage, no matter what. They want to show their powers and want to be known. Hacking is bad, and usually bad things make you known. Anyone remembers a bad thing, whilst good things are forgotten. There is a weird psychology that applies to such people.

As a conclusion to this post, opers are not necessarely the cause of EFnet being a target of DoS, but the Network itself. It exists and that is bad thing for these kiddies. I am not suggesting anything, no worries. The sole thing that can be done against them is complaining to their uplinks.

Cheers!
Note: Before replying to this post, take a moment to read http://www.artelekom.net/legal . Aditionally, please make sure to quote the lines you are replying to.

Yours trully,
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Postby deppy » Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:48 am

Strikelight, No i was not implying the kiddes should have the rule of the land, i was simply pointing out the fact that there is an effect for every cause.

Kiddes do dumb things, the oper punishes them.

As for you qurve, read the first line of my last post before opening your sarcastic ass mouth........

"IRC MUST BE EXEMPT FROM THE GOLDEN RULE" If you forget what that is... its 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'. I said IRC must be exempt from it, hence the reason kiddies get so upset when they get killed/klined/juped even though they more then likely did something to get punished.
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Postby slushey » Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:11 am

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Postby slushey » Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:33 am

Humor is the best sense we ALL have in common.



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"In Canada we play Duck, Duck, Moose."
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Postby slushey » Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:47 am

Humor is the best sense we ALL have in common.



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"In Canada we play Duck, Duck, Moose."
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